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To be clear: I’m not defending them.

Look up “accelerationism”.

I do use neovim myself too 😁

Please don’t hack me, mister FBI

I assume this was a joke 😁

This is completely irrelevant.

And if we’re going to talk about irrelevant shit, I might as well oblige.

It’s almost tax season. It’s going to be a tough one this year. I think I’ll go see an expert to help me file.

I also wore green socks yesterday. Very comfortable. Best I’ve had in my whole life.

Not every westerner comes from the US. Quit being so condescending.

You’ve been proven wrong anyway 🙄

I am a shoe.

Your definition does not fit though. It contradicts the very definition of the word “capitalism”, which is defined by the accumulation of capital, which does not seem to be what’s driving the Chinese government.

I’m not being pedantic. If you’re going to come criticize the authoritarians on their home turf, you’re going to have to be rigorous in your terminology.

The means of production are mostly out of the hands of private hands though, and are in the hands of the state, which does not run the economy for pure profits for the very few. Private property is (thankfully) less of the sacrosanct guiding principle it is in the West.

It’s definitely not “public” as we leftists think it should be, and corruption gets in the way, but I don’t think capitalism is the right word to describe the economic model of China. State “something”, sure, state capitalism, hell no. The goal is not accumulation of capital.

I agree it’s not socialism though, because I feel that the state is too much of a self-preserving entity that outlived its purpose as the mean to establish a dictatorship of the proletariat.

Oh, I understand. You’re right, i don’t think China is bleeding people in any way. That wasn’t what I was going at, and I can see why it could be understood that way. Sorry.

What I mean is that some Chinese people leave China being pissed at China and come to the West. When Westerners are pissed at their own respective societies, they don’t do the opposite. They tend to migrate to other Western countries, usually. Chinese immigration is different from the purely economic migration you can see in other places, where people migrate to just survive. The Chinese immigrants I know are now are relatively wealthy.

But yeah, that’s a question I’ve had for a long time: how’s life in China for the average “white-collar” Chinese person? What I’m very skeptical about is that it’s some kind of paradize on Earth, which I’m pretty sure is complete horseshit, but I’d love to hear the other side because I don’t trust the media in the West to paint an accurate picture.

China is not the only implementation of socialism in the world. You can be for communism and also not think of China as the best model to implement communism. I’m talking about China specifically, though.

When China had its socialist revolution, it threw away some of its principles in an instant. While its history has an influence on its current reality, it’s far from being the main thing that explains why China is China and why it shouldn’t aspire to be the US.

This is essentializing nonsense, that only helps to further narratives that cement things in time, and fail to explain the changing reality of China.

There are much more solid arguments to be made against the West being seen as a model.

China is great, yeah. I see a lot of Chinese people fleeing China and coming to the West, but, weirdly, the opposite is not true. I wonder why that is?

Could it be because they don’t want to be overworked? Could it be that they don’t thrive in an overly competitive environment? I don’t have an answer to that question, and I’d love to hear the point of view of a Chinese person living there. Mind you, I do know a few Chinese immigrants that left the country but they might be a bit biased.

Do you live there yourself? Or are you just peddling tankie shit as usual?

You don’t need to invoke irrelevant arguments like the age of the civilization. Today’s China is nothing like the China of 3000 years ago.

The US and the collective West should just look at its past and its actions to realize it’s not a good model.

It’s even truer today with its support of Israel. It’s not in a good position to give anyone lessons about anything.

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They may have the resources, but getting them where they’re needed can be a challenge. Russia has demonstrated multiple times it’s lacking in terms of logistics capabilities, but I think it could happen to any country, even the best organized.

That, and they might be selling the oil and gas abroad to finance the war.

These are just conjectures. I don’t have any proof.