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  • performing labour or 6 months of jail does sound completely unforced

    Forced labour is very different to military training, IMO. Your choices and freedom are restricted - that cannot be denied - but your days are filled with different training excersizes, not labour as I understand it. And I’ve had my fair share of that too, but by my own choice.

    i said nothing about whether i see my own country as worth serving, but your pity is appreciated

    True. Your earlier statement was ambiguous concerning this. This is why I started the sentence with “if”.

    and youll continue to have the option to do so regardless of whether your government continues to threaten its citizens into doing so

    Also true. But if I had to defend my country, the most effective way to do it would be as a part of a trained and coordinated effort, not as some loner seeking a Hollywood - style “heroic sacrifice”.


  • I do not see compulsory military service as forced labour, not by a long shot.

    In my country when a man turns 18, he has to choose either military service (6 months for rank and file, 9 months for specialists or 12 months for specialist drivers and NCO and officer trainees) or civil service (13 months). Third and very seldomly used option is “total denial”, which means you get to spend 6 months in an open jail.

    I very reluctantly chose military service, hoping to get the shortest 6 month option. I ended up serving 12 months in the reserve officer training program, so I do have some experience on the matter.

    The population of my country is so small that an army based on professional or voluntary troops is not a possibility. Conscription is the only viable choice.

    The service was rarely fun, but it was very effective and extremely valuable. The personal growth I experienced during that year was immeasurable and one year of my life is a very small price to pay to this country that my grandparents’ generation paid a very heavy toll to protect. A country that offers equal rights, universal healthcare and free education for all citizens, amongst many other tax-paid services.

    If you do not see your own country worth serving, I feel sad for you. I would gladly give my life to protect mine.


  • No, not really. The stolen Karelia is lost and we’ve made our peace with that fact.

    There are a few idiots who nowadays mainly screech on the Internet and want to take it back, but about 99,9% of our population is content with the current borders

    As is common to them, the Russians have not developed the infrastructure of the region and the old Finnish cities are in in pretty downbeat shape. The roads are in terrible condition (except the ones that lead to oligarch’s summer villas) and they’ve dumped their garbage everywhere. I’ve visited the fabled land of my ancestors and what I saw just made me sad.

    Restoring Karelia even to a pre-WWII-level would take decades and probably cost tens of billions or even more. The population is almost purely ethnic Russians - what would we do with them?

    If by some magic the land would be offered back to us, free of charge and without the current population, we would still be wary to take it. The old border basically went through the suburbs of St.Petersburg, that would eventually cause severe problems due to the unchanging nature of Russia. So no, let them keep it as long as they stay on their side of the border.

    The last time they attacked we were unprepared and still they paid a heavy price. Now we’ve had almost 80 years to prepare our defenses, and we have oh so many glorious surprises ready if the need ever arises.