• trot [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Russian pacifists want Russia to stop invading Ukraine.

    Western “pacifists” want to send NATO tanks to Ukraine.

    They are not the same.

    Russian anti-war activists have a correct position.

    But an important consideration should be whether one’s actions actually contribute to Russia withdrawing sooner, or if they instead help justify further, equally self-interested NATO involvement in the war.

    Unless you are Russian, it’s most likely the latter.

    There are two imperialist blocs involved in the conflict, and it doesn’t matter which one of them technically started it.

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      1 year ago

      There are two imperialist blocs involved in the conflict, and it doesn’t matter which one of them technically started it.

      I’m sorry, but when it involves one imperialist bloc invading a smaller country, then it does matter.

      Do you have the same position regarding the Vietnam war, Palestine, Iraq, and Afghanistan? Or do you only support whichever side is not aligned with the US?

      • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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        The Vietnam War? You mean the one where a rebel faction backed by Russia rose up against a smaller, recently established pro-Western government, and the US came to the defense of that government, because if they lost the enemy would surely keep expanding more and more across the entire region, and all the peace advocates were dismissed as supporting appeasement? That Vietnam war?

        Yes, we take a similar position on that as we do to this, do you?

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        I literally said that

        Russian anti-war activists have a correct position.

        Are you aware that it’s possible to want neither NATO tanks nor Russian tanks in Ukraine?

        You can even make sure you are consistent with both things in action 100% of the time - it’s a neat little trick called “opposing the position of your own government”.

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          Are you aware that it’s possible to want neither NATO tanks nor Russian tanks in Ukraine?

          I am.

          But do you believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia without NATO’s weapon supply?

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            He most likely doesn’t believe Ukraine is able to maintain their territory protected from Russia with NATO’s weapon supply, and for good reason, given how clearly this is demonstrated by the utter failure of the vaunted counter-offensive. The only thing your position is really advocating is the useless deaths of vast numbers of Ukrainians (and Russians, for that matter).

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              The mere fact that they are in the act of a counter offensive after Russia tried to blitz then shows that it’s not even close to what you’re describing.

              Ukraine is holding their current territory pretty easily and gaining the upper hand very clearly.

              • Russia tried to blitz

                The mere fact that you believe this shows how steeped in western propaganda you are

                At no point was Russia’s strategy a blitz, this is a lie meant to equate Russia with nazi Germany and Pitin With Hitler even though it’s still ukkkraine celebrating Bandara as a national hero

                No Russia’s gameplan from the start has been what it has been for almost 100 years, Soviet tactics not that that coked up nazi blitzkreig bullshit

                The attack on Kiev was likely a feint

                Ukraine is holding their current territory pretty easily and gaining the upper hand very clearly.

                The cope levels are off the charts